All-or-Nothing or Incremental
Hello everyone.I have had a discussion with a guy with protection scheme for battleships. I think All-or-Nothing will be more economic and there's nothing really important to protect in stern and bow....
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seasick wrote:I'd like to see armored antennas and search lights that could repell 6" fire. Cruisers and destroyers are not going to be firing at the bow or stern either. They are going to be firing...
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Dave Bender wrote:I disagree.Dreadnoughts carry QF secondary guns 4 to 6" in size. Many dreadnought and heavy cruiser fights took place within range of secondary weapons. If your bow is not armored...
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MBecker01 wrote:Dave Bender wrote:I disagree.Dreadnoughts carry QF secondary guns 4 to 6" in size. Many dreadnought and heavy cruiser fights took place within range of secondary weapons. If your bow...
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On e radar you fire at the strongest semblance of the reflection, that won't be the jack staff, or the aft seaplane crane. One of the advantages of the all or nothing is that you can put more armor...
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Correct, seasick. Also the USS Washington collided with USS Indiana, and completely lost her bow section, but did not sink. The bow section removed from the incomplete BB Kentucky to replace the bow...
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Even with the original 1870s AoN battleships the same argument was being had between the AoN adherents & those who wished to see full waterline belts. Certain AoN ships were tested - allowed to...
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New to the board but have looked at some of the discussions with interest and at times ammusement plus amazed at the level of knowledge shown (much more than my mine)Re the comment about bow damamge -...
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Unarmored bows or sterns problemsome? Well Colorado was plummelled real good off of Saipan by 6" hits to her bow ,it certainly didn't affect her much. South Dakota,I think,took some hits on un...
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CrosbyB wrote:Even with the original 1870s AoN battleships the same argument was being had between the AoN adherents & those who wished to see full waterline belts. Certain AoN ships were tested -...
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@Civ101 Yes - ships with lost or flooded bow can return to base. The only thing needes is not meet with enemy. Ships with such a condition ( much flooding forward, not "some water inside" ) are...
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flooded bow ther were also two prominent german ships wich survives such damage g Gneisenau at Operation Juno on 20th june 1940 Photos here http://www.bw-hilchenbach.de/body_gneis_14.html Tirpitz was...
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Both Minneapolis and New Orleans lost their bows at Tassafaronga and survived. At Tulagi they were fitted with temporary bows of coconut logs!
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After Pittsburgh's bow broke off during the typhoon on 5 June 1945, the next day fleet tug Munsee (ATF 107) got a line aboard the bow section and radioed "Have sighted the suburb of Pittsburgh and...
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Didn't just about all AoN's violate the concept of All or Nothing to some degree?
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USSInidiana wrote:Didn't just about all AoN's violate the concept of All or Nothing to some degree?Certainly the US fast battleships weren't strictly AoN armored.
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bgile wrote:USSInidiana wrote:Didn't just about all AoN's violate the concept of All or Nothing to some degree?Certainly the US fast battleships weren't strictly AoN armored. ...largely because by...
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...largely because by the 1930s the General Board had backed off somewhat from the conviction underlying AoN, that all battleship fights would be carried out at very long range. And there re coming...
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The increased armour doesn't look like a return to the old incremental style - 4"+ plate intended to keep out a storm of 4"-8" SAP/HE. Even Vanguard - probably the most advanced/extreme example of...
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Well, yes but what intermediate guns vs what "other" threats? Perhaps it is less AoN armour and more AoN threat?
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